Episode Transcript

The Legality of Recording Conversations
Episode 28: August 03, 2007

Hello, and welcome to Legal Lad's Quick and Dirty Tips for a More Lawful Life.

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Today’s topic is recording conversations. David wrote:

I am a concierge at a condominium. On occasion, a certain resident of the condominium has made false claims that I was rude to them in our interactions at the front desk. I would like to make secret audio recordings of our future conversations, so that if the resident makes false claims in the future, I can provide proof against the claim to the management. Is this legal?

Thanks David. Other listeners have written questions regarding the legality of recording telephone conversations as well. The answer to this question, and the answer to so many legal questions, is "it depends." This area of the law is not completely settled, and changes as our technology and notions of privacy change.

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Back to the issue.

 

First, please note that this episode does not cover recordings made by government entities such as the FBI or local police. When government officials act, they are constrained by the Constitution and other laws. This episode only deals with the legality of recordings made by private citizens who are not working in cahoots with the government.

Title III of the Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act of 1968 (18 U.S.C.A. §§ 2510-2520) generally provides that any person whose communication is intercepted, disclosed, or intentionally used can file a civil lawsuit. Many states have adopted the federal law, and some states provide greater protection.

Under most communication interception statutes, a two-step analysis is used to determine whether surveillance is legal. First, a court must examine the statute to determine whether the communication at issue falls within the scope of the statute. If so, the court then examines whether an exception might apply.

In the first step, the most common issue is whether a conversation is private; most statutes only cover confidential or private communication. A general rule is that if the people engaged in the conversation can reasonably expect their conversation to remain private, then the statute protects that conversation. Courts normally consider telephone conversations to be private. Some exceptions include fellow members of a family listening by picking up an extension in the same house, and an employee using a work telephone to make a personal call.

Some in-person discussions are considered private, and some are not. For example, in one case, bugging a private house with a hidden microphone violated state law because the residents inside reasonably expected their conversations to remain private. By contrast, one court held that a private investigator who recorded a conversation while standing on a sidewalk outside a first-story apartment did not record any "private communication" because the conversation could be heard clearly from the public sidewalk through an open window. Another court held that a television station did not violate state law when it secretly recorded a conversation between an actor and a producer at an outdoor restaurant. The expectation of privacy analysis is very fact-specific.

Once a court determines that a conversation is private, and covered by the statute, then it will consider various exceptions. The most common, and most litigated, is consent. Federal law allows recording of phone calls and other electronic communications with the consent of at least one party to the call. Thirty-eight states and the District of Columbia have followed federal law and permit individuals to record conversations to which they are a party without informing the other parties that they are doing so. These laws are referred to as "one-party consent" statutes, and as long as you are a party to the conversation, it is legal for you to record it.

Twelve states require, under most circumstances, the consent of all parties to a conversation. Those jurisdictions are California, Connecticut, Florida, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, and Washington. Be aware that you will sometimes hear these referred to inaccurately as “two-party consent” laws. If there are more than two people involved in the conversation, all must consent to the taping. The more accurate term is "all-party consent."

The situation can get hairy when a person in a one-party consent state calls and records a conversation with a person in an all-party consent state, but does not get that person’s permission. There are several factors that go into which consent law applies. It is generally safer to assume that the stricter, all-party consent law will apply where either the caller or receiver is in an all-party state.

Often, notice will be considered sufficient to find consent. For example, when you call tech support for the laptop you just cannot figure out, the first thing you might hear is "this conversation may be recorded for quality assurance." Most courts hold that, if you speak after hearing this notice, you have given implied consent to the recording and cannot later maintain a civil suit.

There are a host of other exceptions based on legitimate business recordings, crime-tort exceptions, and exceptions for telephone companies. Those will have to wait for another episode.

Returning to David’s question, the answer is that "it depends." First, the court would determine whether the resident could reasonably expect the conversations to be private given that they occur in a quasi-public place: at the front desk of a condominium complex. If the conversations are not considered private, then David may record. If they are considered private, then the court would determine whether proper consent would defeat the claim. If David lives in a one-party consent jurisdiction, then only he would need to consent to the recording, but he would need the resident's consent or knowledge in an all-party consent state.

Overall, be very careful before you record conversations with people. To be safe, always get the express consent of all parties to the conversation, and check with an attorney licensed to practice in your jurisdiction to help you wade through these issues.

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Comments (12) for The Legality of Recording Conversations |  Subscribe to Comment

Sea Burk Says:
10/7/2008 10:30:56 PM
I too am in a civil suit against my exhusband who is trying to take me to court with various false statements against me. He has manipulated my 13 year old daughter into his games. I want to know if I can record our in-person conversation held in a public area such as Starbucks. I live in Washington State. Thank you.
Jess Says:
9/29/2008 4:25:04 PM
My husband and I were fired from the same company about 2 days apart. When we both were fired we recorded each meeting. there were 4 of us at the fireing of my husband, and just the 2 of us when she fired me. She has since started telling her staff that she fired my husband for reasons she did not state in the meeting and is in fact accusing him of things he did not do. She is now fighting his un-employment listing things that she did not in during his termination. If we have to appeal it will the tape be submissable? She fired me for being married to him, and did not fight my un-employment. We live in California
Kris W Says:
9/26/2008 7:11:35 PM
I have a case with the EEOC for age discrimination. My boss is expecting a call as soon as the owner finds out he has been charged. My case can then be proved because the owner will yell at the manager for telling me the "real" reason I was terminated. I live in Arizona. Is it legal if the manager who is expecting the call is recording it for proof about my age discrimination? The owner is trying to use a different reason although initially it was because of age.
Ann Says:
6/9/2008 12:55:42 PM
I go to school in WA state. A fellow student has been recording one of our classes. He doesn't have permission from the professor as the professor often goes on tangents about his politically views, that have nothing to do with the subject matter of the class. Although many don't care, Fred pays his own tuition and feels that he is being short shifted in this class. Many feel the same, but dare not risk their grades. I tend to feel the same way, and think he would be right to post the recordings (in full context) on line for all to hear. If it's not being used in court, is it really illegal?
David Stanely Says:
5/27/2008 1:57:25 AM
I am a newly elected board for a condominium complex. Much to my chagrin, our president got his "feathers ruffled" by "input" from several residents at a monthly board meeting a while back. The President, in an attempt to shut off "discussion" now conducts our board meeting "behind closed doors" (ie..members can NOT attend). He says that is to allow the board to get work done without all the "bitching". However, if members cannot "listen" the content of a meeting, how can they be assured that the "minutes" they are provided are a true reflection of what actually transpired. Furthermore, because I know that the President has frequently "edited" the Secretary's transcription of the minutes to suit his preferences, I thought it would be prudent to "record" our meeting simply so that I would be able have a "standard" against which to compare the final minutes to (to see if they match!). I have just received a letter from our Property Management company citing the fact that I had "illegally taped" our conversation without "consent" of all those present and that I should submit transcripts of them to the board. First, we were not in "Executive Session" at ANY point in our meeting! I felt that as an elected representative of the residents that I had a responsibility to make sure that all proceedings were done in accordance with our By-Laws in with their fiduciary best interests in mind. 2) A previous secretary recorded ALL the meetings she took notes at in order to be able to remember what had transpired and so she could participate in the meeting and not just be "writing" the whole time. 3) Due to a safety concern by our President regarding a meeting with a disgruntled resident that was suppose to take place with the board FOLLOWING our board meeting, a PAID security officer was in attendance at BOTH meetings. Therefore, having an outsider present cannot mean that the meeting/conversations were "intended" to be "private". Am I mistaken?
Shane Says:
3/24/2008 1:58:05 PM
I'm curious how this works when one party is already recording a conversation, say when you call a company and are given the generic "This conversation may be recorded for quality assurance." When this happens, are you allowed to record the conversation yourself without notifying each representative you speak with that you are?
John A. Santiago Says:
3/10/2008 12:57:34 PM
My question is that at a meeting, a tape recorder was plopped down on the table and no one had the time nor did they know they could or not give consent. I live in an All Party State. Then the contents of that tape were used against an employee and disciplinary action was instituted. Can this taped conversation be used and is it legal of we didn't know we could object? Thank you.
Jessica Says:
2/7/2008 6:48:38 PM
do our phones each have personal records?
Teresa Wilder Says:
1/25/2008 3:07:16 AM
I would like to know if it would be legal to use a taped conversation made in a vacant house with the front door standing open where any passer by could hear the conversation. There were 3 of us 2 of which knew the conversation was being taped. We live in Oregon and it was a conversation between 2 contractors and the property manager and we were all standing 10 feet from the front door which as I said was open.
WILLIAM NOEL Says:
1/22/2008 10:51:13 AM
i secretly recorded a conversation with my daughter when she was 14 now she s15 iam going to court in a civil trial on welfare fraud and need to use her conversation against my ex wife it will prove my ex wife is a liar about alot of things i would like to know if it is admissible as evidence and how i should bring it up as evidence to the court?
Don Says:
1/12/2008 1:10:07 PM
I live in Florida, I was a police officer during a disciple meeting were I was being charged wrongly , I recorded my disciple meet. the action at the meeting were later used to charge me again with a false charged that can be proven if I can use the recording these Officers have taken a depo and further lied and since they are working together are backing each other up. I want to use my recorded meeting tape but also don't want to gett arrested can you point me in the right direction.
colin abrahamson Says:
12/30/2007 3:38:04 AM
I thinkm wife who I am presently separated from recorded a covesaition we had that I assumed was private. This happened in California. My question is would she legally be abe to do so?

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